Historian Eric Foner interviews historian Matthew Karp about his book, "This Vast Southern Empire: Slaveholders at the Helm of American Foreign Policy"

The interview is at this link:

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/03/slavery-civil-war-us-south-dubois-foner-karp/

I am reading Matthew Karp's book on the slavocracy in America and their control of American foreign policy and it is a fascinating book.

One thing Karp shows is that the slave owners were very optimistic and they saw their idea of bound labor taking over the world in one form or another, not slavery, but coolie labor, peons, and other bound labor.